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Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 10:04 pm:   

I am a physician and have a patient who is a 96 year old woman with breast cancer that has replaced her right breast over the past 6 years. She did not want a mastectomy or any other treatments ("I've lived long enough...") She became my patient last week because of bleeding from a necrotic ulcer in the middle of the tumor.

I heard about bloodroot from Dr. Weil's book but your site is the first in depth discussion I have seen about bloodroot or escharotics in general. I am wondering if an escharotic is appropriate at this late stage or whether it might help control the bleeding, which is currently under some control using gelfoam. I noticed that you have preferred other herbs besides bloodroot.

Please excuse my asking for advice in this fashion. I did print out an
order form for your book.

Thanks, Jerry
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Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 10:06 pm:   

If bleeding is the main issue, a very inexpensive product from China works wonderfully. It is called Yunnan Paiyao. It comes in a powdered form, but there is one tiny pill in each bottle. The pill can be taken internally for virtually any kind of excessive bleeding. The powder can be applied topically or mixed with warm water and consumed as a tea. This product is available wherever Chinese medicines are sold. I sell it for the not very damaging sum of $3.10, and it surely belongs in every medicine cabinet.

Frederic Mohs, MD, used the black salve to stop bleeding, but if used in such a manner, it will have escharotic effects if left in place for more than a short time. It sometimes reacts strongly in only twenty minutes and sometimes takes much longer (3-4 days.) With an ulcerated condition, the reaction time could be quite fast.

As for what is appropriate at this juncture, the patient has said that she has lived her life. Putting her through a challenging treatment with the intent of adding a few months or years would seem to go against her own request, but this is merely one opinion.
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Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 10:14 pm:   

I would appreciate it very much if you would let me know whether it is safe to use the cancer salves to get rid of breast cancer without being under the supervision of a healer.

Thank you very much for your help. I hopefully look forward to hearing from you.


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Posted on Tuesday, May 01, 2001 - 10:14 pm:   

It has been done. Historically, breast cancer has been the primary type of cancer treated by professional physicians using escharotic salves and pastes. Lay use has been predominately directed towards skin cancers.

Cancer is a serious condition. Patients confronted with the disease are usually addressing the crisis and treatment for the first time whereas specialists treat cancer every day. After diagnosis, it is not unusual for patients to invest a few years rediscovering the wheel when time is of the essence and good decisions are a matter of life and death. Therefore, some contact with an expert is generally wise.

This said, there are cases of resourceful and self-reliant women who have successfully treated their own breast cancer and situations in which they failed despite their efforts. It is not always a matter of prior training. For example, there are ordinary people who have used escharotics to treat their own cancer. Recently, however, a physician attempted to treat her recurrence without direct help from someone experienced with the salves; she ended up with a mastectomy.

In the time I have listened to such stories, I know of four women who tried the escharotics and ended up having surgery, but all for different reasons. One was the aforementioned physician. Of the others, all were very advanced. Two started with bloodroot, one with a bloodroot tincture and the other with a bloodroot paste. Both aborted the process because of pain and lack of understanding of what to expect. When they tried later treat their conditions, scar tissue had already formed that prevented adequate penetration of the products. The fourth person was doing well but neglected proper hygiene so that infection set in and caused sudden growth and scar tissue. The nuances of each situation are such that most people feel inadequate and hence muddled. Frankly, I am surprised that some people appear to succeed, but many claim to have done so.

Last week, I got a call from the daughter of a man who had pancreatic cancer and was told nine months ago that he had 3-6 months to live. He used the black and yellow salves in conjunction with a modified Gerson diet and is now well.

Though pancreatic cancer is more serious than breast cancer, it may actually be easier to treat with escharotics. Breasts are complex and no breasts seem exactly the same. If after reading my book, you feel you really understand the method, you might very well succeed; but your life is at stake so I suggest thinking this through very carefully so that you prioritize what is really important and not place the wrong value on time, money, independence, and whatever else motivates people to attempt to cure themselves.
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Posted on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 08:31 am:   

Is there anyone in Leicester, England I can talk to who has used Essiac / other salves etc. My mother was diagnosed 2 days ago and I have got her on strong antioxidants, using Zapper 2000 3x daily (Dr. Hulda Clarke), TOTALLY OFF DAIRY and onto soya/linseeds etc. She is fit, healthy, active and does not look her 78 years.
Also, where can we obtain Essiac and salves in UK, preferably Leicester?
contact preferably by e.mail (as I'm new to surfing and may not get back on this site!)
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Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2001 - 02:10 am:   

I have had breast cancer found in 4 stage in 1994, since then it has came back in neck in1998, then again in oveies in 2000, have had 15 chemo treatments, and want to know about the black salve
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Posted on Tuesday, May 22, 2001 - 12:40 am:   

Please begin by reading the book very thoroughly so that you understand the questions you are asking and the answers.

You situation is surely challenging. You need all the information and understanding possible.

God bless!
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Posted on Friday, June 01, 2001 - 05:47 pm:   

Dear Ingrid, I'am so thankful for finding your site, it seems I have tried everything for removal of my breast cancer since my diagnosis in 1999. I believe I have actually gotten rid of most of the tumor, however, I still have areas where there seems to be a "residual malignancy". I wondered how I should proceed with this, since there is quite a large area that is ready to have the "Yellow Healing Salve" applied, there are still areas that are suspicious. Can you please direct me as to what would be the best thing to do at this stage? I was going to try and make the Paste Dr. Jones recommends as "Paste No. 1" for use on "Residual Malignancy after the Eschar has Detached", but I don't even know where to look for the ingredients and don't know if they would be too harsh on an open wound. I would appreciate your advice on this at your earliest convenience. Thank you!
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Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2001 - 07:48 pm:   

I have to confess that I have no experience at all with that particular product. I don't even know of anyone who used chromium chloride, however, I have implicit faith in Jones. He simply appeared credible to me.

I would imagine that this is the sort of product that a compounding pharmacist could make? I might ask at the local apothecary to see if they have any experience with such products.
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Posted on Saturday, June 02, 2001 - 07:58 pm:   


We ship Essiac (and other herbs) by global priority mail, but if you read what I posted on this subject, you may pick up some new ideas:

Best wishes,

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Posted on Sunday, June 03, 2001 - 03:30 am:   

Dear Ingrid,Please recomend a book that explains what the black ointment does to an underlying breast tumor,that is,a tumor that does not protrude or has broken the skin?Is the goal to open skin,in order to prepare for the next ointment?I hope the book explain this.I have been on a regimen of efa's Hoxsey'red clover,co q10,plenty of distilled h2o,salmon,brocoli, enomous amounts of exercise&sex,I feel 30again,in one month my tumor size is half of what it was,I celebrated my 28th wed.ani.monday,I'll be 47 aug.2nd.sincerelly,Kathy Fisher
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Posted on Monday, June 04, 2001 - 02:07 am:   

My book answers your questions. Basically, the salve has to create the possibility of destroying the tumor by making contact with the tumor. The closer the tumor is to the surface of the skin, the easier the task is. . . all other things equal which they rarely are.

At the rate you are going, it sounds like you'll be 20 next year. I wish you the best!

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Posted on Saturday, November 24, 2001 - 12:51 am:   

How many times do you apply the salve before knowing it got to the very root of the tumor and any surrounding areas around the tumor. I have a 2.2 cm cancerous tumor in the breast and have applied the salve now 3 or 4 times. I put it right on the lump and around the lump and got huge reactions. The last time I applied it I got a smaller reaction. Does this mean I am getting close to getting it all? I still feel the lump but am wondering if it is scar tissue. I used NO conventional medicine (lumpectomy, chemo, or rad.)
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Posted on Sunday, November 25, 2001 - 08:22 pm:   


This is the most important part of the whole treatment. I cover it extensively in my book and everyone using this treatment should read the book thoroughly, preferably before getting to the point you are now.

The answer is that you must have a method of determining whether you have, in fact, gotten it all. Given that few women have a clear line of vision to all areas of their own breasts, they usually need help from someone with good eyes, a magnifying glass, digital camera (to blow up picture to show what the eye missed), and with any luck some experience with cancer, such as a doctor or nurse or other practitioner.

Some people think that the salve will stop reacting once you get it all . . . I'm not sure about this. I think it's a little too simplistic.
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 08:19 pm:   

Dear Ingrid,
I got your webside from my sister inlaw after I have been diagnosed with breast cancer almost two years ago. So far I had no traditional treatment and survived well until now with a strict anti cancer diet, colon hydrotherapy, high dosages of vit. C, many other food supplements, lysin, rainforest graviola, vegi juices etc. My general energy is good, but my tumor has doubled in size, though no metastasizing noticeable. The tumor sits right under the nipple of my right breast reaching into the milch gland. Is it possible to use black salve on the nipple without injuring it or risking to have an open wound? My tumor is hard with microcalcifications. So far I wanted to find something which dissolves it from inside my body, rather than causing an open wound. Are there salves which don't do this? I am a bit afraid to play around with these salves on my own without the support of any experienced practioner. Here, in Germany, nobody seems to be familiar with your book and products.
My leucocites are only 3000 since 1 year. On account of the increase in size I was almost ready to have a biopsy, which I avoided until now due to the danger of spreading of the cancer cells. Despite my good nutrition and everything else I am doing my elimination is chronically lousy. Could you suggest a regime for my specific cancer situation for me? I have browsed through your web side and get a bit overwhelmed with all the products. But I would love to give the alternative treatments one more try. Is there something I could use to minimize spreading in case I would have a vaccuum biopsy taken or get a surgical tumor removal? I would be most thankful for a response.
With kind regards
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Posted on Thursday, February 28, 2002 - 10:07 pm:   


My book is being translated into German and should be published this year in Germany. In the meantime, I will be planning a series of seminars to train German health care practitioners and herbalists. At this point, a few of my students are familiar with the work and might be able to help you along, but what part of Germany are you in?

If the nipple is involved in malignancy or if there is infection present, it will react to the salve and the odds are then that you would lose a part or all of the nipple and surrounding areola. If they are malignant, the ends justify the means.

For the microcalcifications, I am eager to try some ointments with lemon oil to see if they work. They would constitute a softer approach and perhaps reduce the need for more radical measures.

As for the products, the most effective broad approach would be the trifolium syrup. It contains nine herbs with known anti-cancer effects and promotes elimination and detoxification. While limited in what I can say about it, it should be the cornerstone of most holistic strategies, especially where there is any sallowness of complexion, sluggish elimination, itchiness, or dullness. Many people have said that it also relieves pain. As such, it is not a "pain medication," but it might be relieving whatever is contributing to the pain.

Best wishes,
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Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 11:31 am:   

Dear Ingrid,
thank you so much for your response. I will order the syrup you suggested. I live in Frankfurt/Main, Germany. I look forward to your book coming out in German. It is not clear whether the nipple is involved. Externally it does not look like that. There is no discharge or pain except if I hug people the pressure of that hard lump hurts somewhat. One does not see very much at all from the outside except a slight elevation under the nipple, but it can be palpated (3,1 x 1,4 cm by now). Since I heard of the danger of spreading I have avoided biopsies and surgergy so far. After looking around for an uninvasive treatment I found now a clinic in Germany which does hyperthermia and would even be payed by my health insurance, but only if they had a secure histological result. I am now scheduled for a vacuum biopsy but are terrified that I would start an activating of the growth and spreading. Is there something I could take internally before this procedure to get my system in best shape and something to treat the wound with afterwards so it heals with less scaring and kills off leftover malignant cells? What do you think of biopsies? I would very much appreciate to get some contacts over here of practioners who are familiar with your work to discuss further treatment with. I think what you are doing is mind blowing and so encouraging. Thank you so much for this service.
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Posted on Sunday, March 03, 2002 - 08:02 pm:   

Thank you very much for your comments. Unfortunately, the referrals I would have made are to practitioners much further south, but my former office mate lives in Cologne, maybe not as far as Munich or Nuremberg?

It is surprising to find a patient who is so aware of the risks of procedures that are seldom questioned until years later. Of course, there is a risk of aggravating and disseminating the tumor when taking a biopsy. I would personally refuse a biopsy for these reasons because there are other diagnostic methods that I believe are accurate enough to form an educated opinion about the mass. One of these is thermography. A malignant tumor will be hotter. Another is a very good ultrasound. When the pictures are clear, you will be able to see whether the mass is encapsulated or whether it has tendrils feeding down into blood vessels. You can also do a CA15-3 blood test or an AMAS blood test. You can have the blood analyzed by a Naessens-trained darkfield microscopist to examine the magnitude of pleomorphism (stage might be a better term). You could look at the nipple to see whether or not it is inverted (retracted) since this is usually a sign of malignancy. This is deductive and perhaps not as exact as some require, but if everything points the wrong direction, you might conclude there is a need for decision action.

However, if you do have a biopsy, you could consider the immediate application of an anti-cancer ointment that also reduces the risk of scarring. I feel strongly enough about this that I would cover the entire breast with at least a strong fomentation (like an extra strong tea with anti-cancer herbs.)

Actually, as I think of this, I remember a doctor in Frankfurt who visited my clinic years ago, a lady doctor who might be willing to work with you. Please contact me privately for referrals.

Best wishes!
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Posted on Sunday, March 10, 2002 - 08:14 pm:   

Greetings! I'd like to try the Artemisia tablets for my breast cancer that I've had for a year.
I have read the articles on your site as well as info on the kitchendoctor site and I have an overview of what to do.
Having regulated my diet,I want to detox my system and boost my immune system. Can I detox while using the pills, or tackle each seperately?
If I use the items you mentioned in the articles:
Artemesia Annua
Sacred bark formula
an acidophilus
can you give me a rough idea of daily quantities
and rough time frame within which I would be using these ingredients? Your thoughts will also help me understand better how much to expect to be ordering in order to pursue my intentions.
I am thinking of adjunctively using the Cleavers tea, turmeric, Trifolium and Scrophilaria syrups, any advice on these?
Any input would be extremely helpful! I love your book and these websites- Thank you so much for all you do, sincerely, JS
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Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2002 - 10:54 pm:   

Am curious if anyone knows if an injury could cause cancer? I collided with the corner of a metal file cabinet (March 20) 2 years ago and right where it dented is where the tumor is now. I've searched everywhere and have asked everyone I could, so far every response has been, NO. This still leaves me questioning. It just seems so coincidental....
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Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 08:15 pm:   


The use of Artemisia annua in the treatment of cancer is still a new idea for me. Based on the press release, many people are interested, but let me put this is some kind of meaningful context.

Whenever there is a press release, interest soars. After CBS aired its program on Cuban treatment of cancer with shark cartilade, our clinic phones rang 24 hours a day with people requesting shark cartilade. They absolutely were not interested in our thoughts on cancer, merely in how to obtain the product used in Cuba.

When Suzanne Somers said she was using mistletoe, our web pages on Iscador and mistletoe got more hits than Essiac, but the pages had been there all along . . . and just because a celebrity is using a treatment doesn't mean it's the right choice for others.

So, the new kid on the block is Artemisia annua . . . and I'm sorry if I sound a little irreverent. We don't sell shark cartilade. I confess we have from time to time, but I'm a vegetarian and I don't think animals have to surrender their lives to make us well. We don't sell Iscador either, largely because it's very difficult to administer it correctly and mistletoe is not Iscador.

However, I decided to source the Artemisia annua. Why? I did so because it is an herb with almost no side effects or safety precautions (except not to be used during pregnancy) and because the reports from the researchers at the University of Washington were nothing short of astounding. This said, many colleagues have tried to elicit more information from the researchers and they are getting nowhere. This does not mean that the report was false, merely that some of the cancers may have been killed in petri dishes rather than living beings. The dog's sarcoma however was not in the petri dish and this is what got my attention since this is a particularly heartbreaking and aggressive kind of cancer. . . and, if you read my book, you know I lost my white Akita to it.

So, I did my usual: read a lot, asked a lot of questions, and right now, my best information is coming out of South Africa. I have asked pharmacists and MDs to explain in detail how the Artemisia works and it's fascinating, but I can easily understand that it won't work in some circumstances.

Some people seem to understand this because they are ordering the opposite of what you expect most patients to order so I know they read the material and want to try this.

I like the idea for two reasons: one, if it works, it will be the simplest thing anyone has ever tried. In my book, the Hildegard treatments were the simplest, but we know nothing about them in modern times. So, this is great. People have all different opinions of cancer. Every few weeks, I get a letter from someone who thinks cancer should be no more difficult (or expensive) to cure than the common cold. If this is true, it would put a lot of people out of work, but I doubt it's true. Still, I would like it to be true.

I see the Artemisia as a "nothing to lose" effort; moreover, it may work particularly effectively on tumors that have a parasitic component. As you know, I have been taking one form or another of it for more than a month now. All the fevers have passed. I feel fine and few odd lumps have vanished, but since I never knew what they were, it's useless information to say they are resolved. I am assuming I had parasites and that everything was related here and that this same connection exists for some others, even if not everyone. I do not really agree with Hulda Clark that parasites are the cause of everything, just that they are seldom suspected or diagnosed.

If you do the Artemisia annua, I would order one bottle to see how it works for you. Use it in conjunction with the intestinal flora, as you plan to do, and with the iron boosters. If you are happy and seeing a softening or disappearing of the growths, keep it up.

My gut feeling is that once the Artemisia has done what it is going to do that chaparral is a very suitable sequel.

My cleavers tea is always good because it keep things flushed and helps with pH balance. Something to keep the bowels regular is also always good. As for the Trifolium and Scrophularia, I'd hold off until you see what the Artemisia annua does for you.

More than you asked?

Best wishes,
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Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 08:20 pm:   


Please keep us informed, too. When something new is out there, we all want to know what others are experiencing. The South Africans insist that there are no side effects at all with their product. I asked them to send me some (and, of course, I'll try the first bottle on myself.)

This said, they are treating malaria, not cancer.
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Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 08:34 pm:   


Your short question is actually a very big one. The simple answer is that, your intuition is no doubt correct.

However, I want to give the question the time it deserves because it is really an important one for you and others and the fact that you came up empty-handed on your search is discouraging.

Basically, cancer will tend to occur either where the tissue is weakest or the tissue is most active. Where the tissue is weak, perhaps because circulation is cut off due to blockage of movement near the site of injury, oxygen levels will decrease. To survive, some cells will become anaerobic and live on fermentation. This in turn causes hot pockets of areas with more acid than elsewhere in the body. The acids tend to further breakdown tissue so there is a rich source of nutrients as well as enough commotion to deform cells and produce the errors in mitosis that result in malignancies.

The other half of the picture is that where there is injury, there is excess biological activity because the body wants to repair the damage. If there are free radicals, acids, toxic chemicals, etc. in the area of the injury, there is a very good chance that some of cells being created, ostensibly to repair the damage, are carrying out their functions under adverse circumstances. Malignancy becomes a risk.

I have seen many people who developed cancer after an injury that was x-rayed. I have seen elderly people who fall in a simple accident in a supermarket who are exposed to repeated full body x-rays, sometimes over 200 x-rays. One man for whom I had particular affection developed cancer in a matter of a few months.

You didn't mention x-rays, but they are dangerous. They are helpful diagnostically but one always needs to weigh the need to know against the risks.

I think I started a page of radiation protocols that I never finished. The simple procedure is to take baths in sea salt and baking soda, half a cup of each. Stay in the tub for 20-30 minutes and repeat this every day for three weeks or every other day for six weeks. It draws radioactivity out of the body, but you could go to Hawaii or the West Indies and swim in the ocean!

Eat lots of seaweed and take adaptogenic herbs such as garlic, Siberian ginseng, and shiitake mushrooms.

This may not be relevant to your situation, but I thought to mention this.

The other part of your question was the subjectivity, your willingness to trust yourself with your own hunches and your effort to find a cause, an explanation, and some answers. While I would support any effort to become more comfortable with the information in one's own data bank, I would also caution against allowing this information to generate blame. For instance, while it's entirely obvious that the filing cabinet did not attack you, it is not to blame either. The accident may be a causal factor in your illness, but the cause of the accident is another matter.

Best wishes,
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Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 05:05 pm:   

Dear Ingrid,

I have successfully extracted, using blood root, a rather sizeable breast tumor. I would say the size of the eschar was approximately that of a
tangerine. It has healed remarkably quickly, with open skin left the size of a dime. I think it will probably completely close within the week.
HOWEVER, I was reluctant to put the salve on the aeriola, coming very close to the area, yet carefully avoiding blood root contact, hoping the salve would draw the tumor from under and around the nipple. It did not. The tumor is still there (at least I am pretty sure it's a tumor as the nipple is retracted and what with my history with breast cancer). Until I reviewed your site today, I was hot on the trail of healing myself, and using a slippery elm poultice to do so.

You stated not to do anything that might promote cell growth in scarred area where there is still cancerous tumor in the vicinity (I guess that would rule out both slippery elm and comfrey root poultices, as well as your tumeric and oil treatment, would it not?). Two, you recommended against blood root treatment until being on the blood cleansing (Hoxsey) syrup for five months. Three, you recommended a bottle of Artemisia Annua for one individual who wrote you recently, before trying the blood cleansing syrup, because that has reportedly had excellent results (although you made clear you could not verify the claims).

While I am healing up from the previous episode of blood root, and before I submit myself to another gut wrenching one and watch it take my nipple right off my breasts, I am evaluating my options, which are as follows:

1) Alter my PH via diet, water ionizer and your Cleavers tea.
2) Begin working with the Rife machine.
3) Investigate new device called Pap-Ima which reputedly has 70% success rate with eliminating tumor masses.
4) Investigate a type of chemotheropy that is accompanied by insulin (the insulin causes the cells to open up more, and thus be more receptive to the drug...this means greater effectiveness, 1/10th the dosage in 1/10th the amount of time, and no visible side effects...however, there are only 43 practitioners trained to do this kind of chemo in the U.S.)

I realize this letter presents a multitude of questions; however, I would greatly appreciate your professional input and I have no doubt many other readers would benefit, as well.

Sincerely and thankfully yours,
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Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 05:08 pm:   

This letter was actually sent to me off list but my reply was returned by her server as undeliverable (I tried twice) so I am putting the letter and the response here:


Most people have not been able to save the areola when it is involved in the malignancy. Preserving is obviously a high priority and so you can be sure most women tried.

One woman, herself a doctor, preserved almost all of it but lost a bit off the side.

I think the Golden Myrrical is realistic at this stage, even the enucleating might get out the rest, but it's never easy to say, especially sight unseen.

I would like to put your email on the bulletin board so other can benefit (without your name, of course -- and I did change her name.)

Let me know what you choose to do and how it works!

Good luck and best wishes,
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Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 10:05 pm:   

Greetings Ingrid,

I hope this message finds you in the best of health and spirits.

Your book is on its way to us.

I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and would like to know of any practitioners that you may be familiar with who could assist me in the wholistic treatment of a lump in my breast in accordance with the protocols in your book.

You are most welcome to send a personal message directly to my e-mail.

Thanks you for your efforts.

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Posted on Thursday, March 28, 2002 - 11:19 pm:   


You have to send your email to me privately. The bulletin board does not have the emails.
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Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 12:25 pm:   

I am dealing with a recurring tumor in my breast at the site of a previous surgery for removal of a cancerous tumor. I would like to try the cancer salves for removal of this tumor.
My question is-
Why do you recommmend the goldenseal combo (p.129 of your book) and not the enucleating method with zinc chloride? Does the golden seal combo really work according to your experience?
I am a Naturopath and Accupunturist who is also intersted in your methods as a practicioner.
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Posted on Thursday, May 30, 2002 - 11:36 pm:   

Did you recieve the information you asked for from Ingrid? I also live in the S. F. Bay Area and would like information on practicioners in the Bay Area that could assit me as well. Could you possibly share this information? Also how do I reach Ingrid through her private email?
I tried clicking on your link and hers, and I got a message back that the addresses were not available.
Thanks so much.
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Posted on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 12:16 am:   

Carol and Anne,

You can use the form on this site:

For reasons of anonymity, privacy, and discretion, the emails are not recorded on our server much less made available to those reading the posts.
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Posted on Friday, May 31, 2002 - 12:26 am:   

Now, for the Anonymous post!

Unfortunately, I hear all too often about recurrences in the original site, usually in the scar tissue of the incision. This is such a frequently reported issue that I have brooded for years about how to address the risk of this particular type of recurrence.

The challenge for normal pastes/escharotics/enucleating ointments, etc. is that most of them will not penetrate the scar tissue. They often cause reactions all around the scar and remove questionable masses near the scar, but the scar itself seldom reacts.

I have a long-term proposal and short-term one. I am so concerned about the incidence of this kind of recurrence that I would like to see more people, doctors and patients, using a combination of surgery and anti-cancer post-surgical ointments that are also anti-scarring. I hope you understand this exactly as I mean it. Ideally, one does not want to see either a recurrence or scar tissue . . . because if there is a recurrence, it is apt to be in the scar tissue and this poses a challenge for future treatment. So, the ointment should address both concerns.

The longer-term suggestion would be to try to remove all old scars just to be on the safe side. This is normally a protracted and uncertain procedure. I have brain stormed it with groups of practitioners representing many disciplines. For instance, there is a technique in acupuncture in which a very thin needle is threaded through a scar to remove the scar. Homeopaths have their remedies, and then there is homeopuncture in which the acupuncture needle is dipped in a homeopathic mother tincture before being inserted.

There are ointments, usually of mixed effectiveness. Anyway, being curious, I developed my own experimental formula, in a lotion, and the first batch was completed a few days ago. It is available to practitioners who want to try it out to see how it works. They can report back and let me know if we are on track or not with this. I just want to say that we started with two jars, got good feedback on those and then made a couple more jars, very preliminary stage and the product doesn't even have a name yet. You are absolutely welcome to contact me privately about this.
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Posted on Saturday, July 06, 2002 - 01:58 am:   

I'd like to share the experience I've had with black salve and breast cancer. I was first diagnosed in 1996, had a lumpectomy which removed a 3 cm tumor. In late 1999, I had a recurrence in the scar (no surprise) and had to go to a couple of surgeons before finding one who was willing to do another lumpectomy. I did not have any chemo or radiation in 1996; succumbed to a few radiation treatments in 2000 before I became very ill and quit;took tamoxifen for 3 years.
In Dec 2001 I found lumps in my neck on the opposite side. A scan determined the cancer had metastisized in the lymph nodes and there were "too many to count", like a cluster of grapes. I also had a 2.5 cm node in the armpit of the original site as well as "prominent" cancer in the soft tissue behind the sternum.
I began taking black salve tablets, then a month later applied the salve to a location above my breast, just to the right of my sternum. I wasn't really sure where the tumors were behind the sternum, but prayed that God would lead me to the right location.
Within 4 hours of application, the scar on my neck (I allowed a biopsy there) welted up. Within 24 hours, the lumps on my neck were noticably reduced. Clearly this happened systemically. The lump in my armpit on the opposite side also reduced greatly. The site on which I applied the salve did not have as much of a wound as I expected. At it's largest, it was about the size of a half dollar. There was some oozing, but not much. After two weeks the eschar came off with little ado. I had another scan that revealed the neck and armpit were "near clear" of cancer. The cancer behind the sternum had reduced, but not as much. As the Dr. looked at the two scans, he also noticed at that time that the cancer had actually metasized into the sternum itself and that, at some time, the sternum had cracked, but was healing. That would account for the horrible chest pains I experienced that I had attributed to black salve. Whenever I coughed or sneezed, I had to hold a pillow to my chest to slightly reduced the pain caused by the compression of sneezing or coughing.

The site became smaller in circumference, but began to blister up then harden in a little reddish colored piece of flesh. Knowing that all the cancer had not left, 3 months after the first application, I again applied the salve directly on top of the scar. The middle of the scar is little affected. the area around the edges is oozing more than last time. Also, the day I again applied it, I had felt what seemed to be another tumor a few inches below where the lymph nodes inthe neck had been involved. It has been three days now and the hardness seems to be gone.
I will have another scan soon because I don't know how to determine what is happening without it.
I have regained much of my strength and stamina. For a while I couldn't even pick anything up off of the floor. Now I am back to nearly normal abilities.
I'm sorry to say I have not purchsed your book although I have read parts of it. I will do that this week, because I am sure I need to do some follow up. Also, if I am not cancer free, would you suggest putting the salve on the same site again? I have continued to take the tablets but wondered how what appeared to be a tumor could have come up again. How likely is it that I will have additional recurrences? Once cancer is in remission due to the salve, does it seem to stay that way?
I am so thankful that I can again look forward to my future instead of believing I only have months (?) to live. I also am the mother of a 12 year old boy. Good reason to keep seeking after a cure.
Thanks for listening.
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Posted on Sunday, July 07, 2002 - 02:40 pm:   


I don't have all the answers, but I'm glad you are better. What you are doing is brave and shows a lot of love for your son and a deep sense of responsibility towards your body and your motherhood.

Basically, the predisposition to cancer has to be seen in the way one looks at any other predisposition. Some people have a predisposition to overweight, some to diabetes, some to cancer. Worse, one predisposition does not always preclude others, in fact, many patterns show tendencies towards a host of problems that often seem to be unrelated. Recognizing the patterns gives incentive to manage the symptoms and keep more serious problems under control. For instance, if one understands that certain foods or emotions might aggravate the tendency towards cancer, one would avoid those foods and try to deal constructively with feelings.

You seem to be trying to do find the answers that will support your wellness so I commend you for this. My book has lots of information that will make some decisions easier for you. It also discusses the difficulty you described in getting the paste to penetrate scar tissue.

I wish you well and hope you continue to post to the board so that others can learn from your efforts.

God bless!
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Posted on Monday, July 29, 2002 - 08:37 pm:   


I am about to start using the bloodroot salve along with pancreatic enzymes to remove a tumor in my breast. I was diagnosed in April of 2001 and have not used any conventional therapy other than an x-ray and bone scan right after being diagnosed. I was treated with electrotherapy in a clinic in Denmark which has left me with a fair amount of scar tissue next to the tumor and a reduction in size of the tumor from 2cm to something a little larger than a marble. The main tumor is as hard as a rock and there is a cluster of pea-sized tumors surrounded it. It's located in the upper right quadrant of my right breast, but I do not feel anything under my arm and am assuming there's been no progression to the lymph. The tumor is so close to the surface, I'm thinking the process with the bloodroot will be somewhat rapid. I'm wondering how long you think I will be in severe pain and also if you think the salve will deal with the scar tissue from the electrotherapy. I've read of several cases (on your web site) of individuals giving up due to surprise reactions to the salve. I understand the process can be extremely painful... is this all I should be concerned about? Or are there risks involved of which I need to be aware?
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Posted on Wednesday, July 31, 2002 - 12:57 pm:   


There is a fair possibility that the bloodroot paste will not penetrate the scar tissue. If this is the case, there will be no pain associated with its use on the scarred area. The paste itself is painless, but the reaction is painful. Does this make sense? If there is no reaction, there is no pain. If you do get a reaction and then abort because of pain, scar tissue will probably form making subsequent use difficult if not impossible.

I suspect there is a possibility that the tumor was rendered inert by the therapy you already had. If the skin covering it is thin, the tumor will pop out in days, all in one piece. If the tumor is viable, it will probably follow the patterns described in my book, which you should read before you start.

Best wishes,
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Posted on Sunday, August 25, 2002 - 10:10 pm:   

If you now feel a rock hard "lump" (I guess you could call it) that once was a soft lump in the breast where it has drained and drained from many applications, does this necessarily mean there is still a cancerous tumor there? Could it be just an empty shell of a tumor with ALL the gook that came out? No actual tumor fell out, just gooky infection several times. I might of asked this question differently on another occasion but now the nipple is "going in" and Im wondering if this is due to massive amounts of scar tissue. Possibly a nerve is wrapped around scar tissue? DOES A RETRACTED NIPPLE ALWAYS MEAN CANCER IS STILL PRESENT after MANY applications of salve? Almost one year! What is THE BEST test to have to determine if all cancer is gone. I wont even consider a mamm. how about a PET scan of the breast? PLEASE HELP, its time I get an answer I have long been praying for....
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Posted on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 - 01:41 am:   

I don't know the answer. However, I understand your frustration with the lack of answers. It's really impossible for me sometimes also. I would like to say that even when I can see a situation, I don't necessarily know what is going on under the surface.

Hardness can be due to tumor, calcification, or scarring . . . or some combination of these factors and possibly ones I haven't considered.

If you will not consider a mammogram, then you might consider thermography and/or some blood tests. You might also want to see someone who is familiar with the process, and you might want to discuss your concerns with the person who provided the product you are using.

I have seen situations such as you describe, some where the oozing seemed to go on almost indefinitely. In most instances, what I learned was that the patients had had childhood infections, such as rheumatic fever, and been put on antibiotics for 15-20 years. There was only one person that I thought might have infected after using the salves (she left it uncovered for days because she decided to change protocols and didn't think keeping the site clean would matter if she was going to have surgery.)

For many years now, people have written me about their successes and failures, but I usually have to remind people that the input of experts is never a mistake. If you don't accept the advice, that is your choice, but getting an outside opinion sometimes makes a significant difference in outcome.

I wish you the best.
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Posted on Friday, September 13, 2002 - 01:09 am:   

I have had breast cancer and went with chemo and also radiation treatments. After the radiation, I have developed fluid behind the cancerous breast and they have tried draining every week since February and also other surgical procedures, with no results. Do you have any ideas of what I might try to stop this fluid retention. I do not have fluid in my arm, only behind the cancerous breast that was radiated very heavily. They have checked the fluid and also have scraped the wall and no cancer. Please help if you can.
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Posted on Saturday, September 14, 2002 - 02:23 am:   

Is there any other swelling?
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Posted on Monday, October 28, 2002 - 09:18 pm:   

I finished using the bloodroot (around the end of August) to remove a tumor from my right breast. It was incredibly painful and took much longer than I anticipated... about 6 weeks. Although a couple of months have now passed, the area is still a little painful and the scar tissue hard and "ropy". I've been putting MSM cream and Vit E on it, but it's very red and I'm not sure if it's actually healing. A hard mass never "popped out" as a result of the bloodroot, but rather more of an oozing in the process. Bits of charcoal-looking pieces about the size of the head of a pencil came out as well. The area is still a good bit swollen and, therefore, I cannot really palpate to discern if there is a mass or not. My sense is that even if there is a small nodule there, it's not active. Do you have any suggestions on how I can treat the area to soften the scar tissue and, perhaps, eliminate it?
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Posted on Monday, March 03, 2003 - 06:46 pm:   

I am a 31 year old mother of three. I have been diaganosed with invasive cancer of the breast. My tumor was 5cm at the time of treatment. I have had 2 chemo treatments and using herbs and changing of my diet. Now having a second mamogram my tumor has disappeared leaving no signs of anything. Can someone please give me any insite or an opinion about what may have happened. My Doctor is still recommending surgery. At this time I am very reluctant, and am not sure this is what I should do. Anyone that can advise me PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 07:50 pm:   

Are there any foods or supplements which counteract the Black Salve and keep it from working?
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Posted on Thursday, October 02, 2003 - 01:18 am:   

I don't know of any trials that would give a thorough scientific insight into this question, but there are some traditional rules observed by Native Americans.

For instance, Tis Mal Crow does not think bloodroot should be used by people on chemotherapy. He has very specific rules for harvesting and use. While science may or may not corroborate his views, I am inclined to respect tradition and honor it to the extent possible.

What I often see with bloodroot is either a delayed reaction or failed reaction. Most people assume that bloodroot is not needed if the anticipated inflammatory response does not occur within three days of proper use. Because the normal response to bloodroot is hugely inflammatory, I would suggest that those who are serious about using it avoid anti-inflammatory foods and supplements.
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Posted on Thursday, October 30, 2003 - 03:13 am:   

Dear Ingrid,
Do you have any suggestions on using Black Salve for metastatic breast cancer in lungs?
Please, refer to my e-mail I sent earlier to you for a detailed description of my medical history.
What products do you recommend to order? I will go to to find practitioners in San Francisco/Berkeley area as you suggested, unless you can mention someone through this page.
Thank you very much for your time and help.
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Posted on Friday, October 31, 2003 - 05:03 pm:   


Most people with this condition do internal herbs, including sometimes one of the black salves that is suitable for internal use. I wish you success.
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Marcia L. Gran, DC
Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 01:56 pm:   

Hello, I spent most of the day reading your website and postings. Wow! I have never had a dx of Ca but am wondering about prevention. Can black salve be used on the breasts prophylactically? Everyone seems to be dropping dead from breast cancer. I know I have a million other things to keep doing as well but still not get 'obsessive' about it.
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Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 12:17 pm:   


First off, thanks for the nice comments. As a chiropractor, you could also look at the practitioner's site,

I would not use the black salve prophylactically. Externally, it would probably not have any effect. I.e., you would bandage up an area and nothing would happen. Knock on wood, I have never had any response at all to countless experiments on myself.

Internally, it's a last ditch measure when all else has failed. There are safer and more modest strategies for reducing the risk of breast cancer. Even if, for instance, breast cancer ran in the family, one could take tonics periodically, like for three weeks twice a year. Since cancer thrives in an acidic milieu, one can also alkalize and eliminate certain high risk foods, such as those laced with growth hormones and plastics that have broken down. There is an article on about xenoestrogens, well worth reading.

I would also pay attention to parasites and mold as these are appearing more and more as contributing or coexisting factors.
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Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 03:38 pm:   

Two months ago i had a fine needle asperation done on a lump that is about 1cm there were cytologic changes consistant with a fibroadenomg with mild a-typical features. has anyone out there been diagnosed with cancer after results like mine came in.
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Lorraine Salerno
Posted on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 - 06:04 pm:   

My husband had a tumor removed from his left side under his arm pit. It was malignant.
After having it removed, he had a pet/ct scan.
The findings were a large intense area of hypermetabolic activity involving the left axillary region corresponding to a 2,8 x 2.4 cm rounded mass representing the known metastatic malignant melanoma . Should there show any activity after the tumor was removed? Doesn't this mean there may be another tumor close to the same area where the original tumor was removed?

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