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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2001 - 04:17 pm:   

Please post any information be it good bad or indifferent on the use of these various Black salve "Bloodroot" based skin cancer treatments.
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Posted on Monday, May 14, 2001 - 07:35 pm:   

A lot of these stories are in my book. Since the book came out, there have been a few more successes and some failures.

Much depends on the starting point but this is not the whole story, but it is at least a place to begin.

My hope is that as the information about this option is better understood that people who are afraid of surgery and other treatments will present sooner so as to get the needed treatment before the cancer has had a chance to metastasize.

Still size isn't everything. Determination and clarity about the process makes a huge difference.

You asked specifically about skin cancer, but a basal cell carcinoma is hardly the same thing as a melanoma. Basal cell carcinomas are relatively easy to treat, squamous cell carcinomas are somewhat more complicated, and melanomas take more skill yet.

Proximity to nerves, ease of bandaging, and many factors add to the art part of the treatment whereas products make for more of the science. I just can't emphasize enough how important it is to read the book.

There is a lot of information there that is absolutely needed before embarking on a course of treatment. In the meantime, please consider the internal treatments as equally or more important than the external.
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nolan victor
Posted on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 12:03 pm:   


Nolan Victor
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Twin Falls, Idaho 83301
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Posted on Friday, January 04, 2002 - 02:56 am:   


This is an impossible request. Basically, while there are certain common denominators, everyone presents at different stages. Each man has different stress patterns, different life issues, different partnership concerns (and histories), different diet and philosophy to every other.

Therefore, while it is possible to say that the the Christopher tea for dissolving sediment in the prostate or saw palmetto or even black salve taken internally have helped many men, it's impossible to say who would benefit most from which protocol or combination of protocols.

From the time that one begins to address predisposition to or early warning signs of prostate cancer, there is a search for relevant health care. Each patient has to choose what makes the most sense in his circumstances. The disease definitely challenges and often brings with it changes in values and priorities.

Best wishes,
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Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 02:23 pm:   

You might look in to PC-SPES, it seem to have posibilities.
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Posted on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 10:09 pm:   

I know many men who have used PC-SPES but each person simply has to find what works in his particular circumstances. Because something is aggressively marketed doesn't mean it's better nor does the higher or lower price indicate much. One needs to make choices based on one's own criteria and then give the choice a fair chance, 90-120 days, to prove it is helping.
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Posted on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 01:48 am:   

I totally agree. PC-SPES may not be viable therapy , due to each person particular circumstances. It's just another possibility, there are no absolutes. Not everybody will respond to everything.

How were the result of the men who did use PC-SPES for their particular prostate cancer? In their 90 - 120 days was it a success or a failure? If so why?
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Posted on Sunday, January 13, 2002 - 10:21 pm:   

I'd like some thoughts on liver metastasis where the colon was found to be the primary cancer site. Does one shoot for anti-cancer first, then liver detox, vice versa or both at the same time. Share your success stories!
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Posted on Tuesday, January 15, 2002 - 01:08 pm:   

This is an excellent question and certainly one that many people face. As you probably know, liver cancer is not well addressed by conventional medicine and the tendency towards it may very well be aggravated by chemotherapy.

It's really important to keep in mind that the body is organic; it can't really use inorganic substances so while some of these constituents in food and medicine may have certain catalytic effects, they also act as inorganic toxins.

To put this question in focus, a friend of a friend visited recently. It was a social call, but at a certain point, she asked immunosuppressant drugs. To avoid rejecting a transplant, she had been taking these drugs for many years. The cumulative side effects of this treatment were taking their toll and she felt she could not last more than a few more months.

After much brain storming, we concluded that the part of the treatment upon which she depends is the immunosuppressing actions of the medications, not the additives that give the drugs shelf-life and so forth. Ergo, detoxification would probably be safe so long as she continued the medications. She decided to discuss this with her transplant team at the hospital.

She is herself a health care practitioner and the fact that she had a transplant is indication of her conclusion that she would not survive without it, but here is a place where the two systems of medicine or rather healing and medicine can meet.

This may seem like a digression but the issue of people on chemotherapy is quite similar: how much support from natural medicine can one safely use while undergoing treatment? Presumably, one can take something like milk thistle to protect the liver from damage and hawthorne berries to protect the heart from damage, but this isn't really known. Milk thistle would surely be safe, almost at any time, but hawthorne berries might support the blood as well as heart.

These are the kinds of questions people have been asking me for years. While one celebrates survival, one also grieves the shrinking of the heart and poisoning of the body.

Those with more experience than I have, people with clinics in Mexico, mostly claim that the success of the alternative treatments is much lower among those who have been irradiated or undergone chemotherapy. Surgery is more or less accepted by everyone as less of an issue unless it is so extensive as to change how body systems function. By this I mean that a lumpectomy is different from a radical mastectomy. Removing a mass is less damaging in the long run than removing lymph nodes because there will tend to be swelling for years and years if the normal lymphatic channels are disrupted.

So, at what point in treatment can one use adjunctive support? Dietary changes can be introduced immediately and some herbs will probably not interfere with any of the prescribed treatments. I am thinking that those that support digestion and elimination are safe.

The anti-cancer herbs are generally detoxifying and immune boosting. Hoxsey's elixir is a case in point. Recently, a number of experts have stated in interviews with media that taking potassium iodide would protect against cancer in the event of nuclear war. So, why aren't people taking it while undergoing irradiation? Wouldn't it also protect against the development of secondary cancers?

This is the primary ingredient in Hoxsey's elixir. In addition there are ten herbs, nine of which have anti-cancer effects. However, it's basically a potassium iodide cocktail. Our "historic recreation" is not a chemical cocktail. It is an herbal elixir that uses the same or almost the same herbs as in Hoxsey's formula, but it is an herbal tonic with just a bit of Irish moss to substitute for the potassium iodide. It is very detoxifying and colon stimulating.

This is perhaps not as succinct a response as you wanted, but my concern is always that people understand and from the place of understanding make the decisions that seem appropriate to their circumstances.

So far as the success stories go, I know many liver cancer survivors. Most of them used the black salve, either externally or internally. Most changed to a vegetarian or predominantly vegetarian diet and most took detoxification seriously for at least a few years.

Best wishes!
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Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 05:26 am:   

I would like to know more about black salve, or it's companion product which can be taken internally. It has been recomended to us for my husband's prostate cancer.
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Posted on Saturday, March 30, 2002 - 10:48 pm:   

For external use, read my book or the many pages on this site (the main site as well as the bulletin board). For internal use, talk to the person selling the product.

Best wishes!
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Posted on Saturday, January 18, 2003 - 05:10 am:   

Dear Ingrid;
Would you please send me or post material dealing with squamous cell cancer, as that is what I have been diagnosed with..It began with a swelling on my neck with the salivary gland and then resulted in a lump under my tongue; beginning about a year ago..The lump has developed into a tumour and then splitting to become 2 tumours on either side of the floor of my mouth and now pushing on the lower gums (actually sort of overflowing)the gums and I'm concerned about the damage that is happening to the topography of my mouth at this time..I have not been able to wear my bottom dentures for a few months now..

I've never had any radiation or chemo treatment as I have a certain distrust of the "cancer industry" and I believe for very good reason...It seems that I have managed to deter the rapid growth of this cancer by using alternative methods such as apricot seeds; Essiac; Cantron and Cansema; prayer and fasting; but they have not rid me of my two alien invaders...About a month ago I began doing the DrClark's method of parasite cleansing and I do believe that the "malignancy" of the tumours has diminished and I'm now in the process of "shrinking" the tumours by ridding myself of infections and continuing on with the kidney and liver cleanse, but I would love to speed up the process...There has not been credible shrinkage as the tumours just seem to change shape and size at will; almost as if by some demonic intelligence.

I have been told that you have had marvelous success in this field of herbal cures and I'm wondering what you would suggest I try in regards to "salves".(or other methods)..I would prefer to shrink the tumours from the inside rather than have an open weeping wound in my mouth...Is this possible to do with a salve? Are there any testimonials regarding someone having been healed of this disease using your methods?

sincerely melville.. ;-)
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Posted on Tuesday, January 21, 2003 - 01:33 am:   


Unfortunately, I am not really at liberty to make medical claims . . .

This said, my first hit as I was reading your post was "check out dental issues" and as I read further, you made it clear you wear dentures. Therefore, I would suggest you check with a very highly specialized environmental dentist, someone who really understands dental infections and hazardous dental procedures and materials. Unfortunately, there are not nearly enough dentists with this training, but when you find a good one, it's a godsend.

Sometimes, you can appear to be doing almost everything right but there is some interference going on between metals in the mouth or there is reactivity to one or more materials or there is profound and invasive infection. For the most part, almost no one overcomes the cancer without addressing the aggravating factors first.

I work with some dentists, all with varying degrees of expertise in this area. One of the truly well versed dentists in this field is Dr. Bouquot. He has a web site that is full of interesting material:

You asked my advice, and even if you asked for a private consultation, I would most likely suggest a thorough dental assessment . . . and I absolutely know how difficult it is to find someone qualified.

Another suggestion I might make is to do a search engine hunt for Bob Jones and his research and development of less invasive technology that is used in the diagnosis of dental issues:

As you have discovered, implementing changes in your life style based on alternative advice often holds the disease in check, but it doesn't always resolve the underlying problem nor the tumors. While I do believe that my products are excellent, I am not batting 100% so it always behooves everyone to find out what is causing the problem.

By this, I mean that cancer and the distress you are experiencing in your mouth are most likely consequences of conditions that began before the cancer appeared. If you take Essiac, you will most likely assist with some detoxification but not conquer the underlying problem. So, while I have no opposition to anything you are doing and would most likely support all of it, you will probably see the biggest improvement when you find out what triggered the problem.

Many dentists have told me of spontaneous remissions of cancer following what were for them standard procedures. They were not "treating cancer," merely addressing a tooth that had rotted or removing a bad filling or perhaps doing cavitational work that was not performed when the tooth was first pulled. You will be surprised at how many dentists do not even have the vocabulary for some of what is discussed on the two web sites I have given you.

This said, there might be room for improvement with your herbal choices as well.

Good luck and touch base with us again after you have checked out a bit more.
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Posted on Wednesday, January 22, 2003 - 11:52 am:   

I need more information on use of escharotic products. I would like to read about the incidents that have not been successful (in particular the M.D. and others that ended up with surgery) but have not been able to locate their letters on the bulletin board. Any assistance you can give me would be deeply appreciated. With sincere gratitude, Sue
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Posted on Thursday, January 23, 2003 - 01:55 pm:   

I do not disclose the identity of any sources.

The main reasons for failure are that the products either were not introduced at an early enough phase of treatment or they were not used correctly. I have no evidence whatsoever that would suggest that there are any products out there that do not work, merely that I personally prefer some products over others.

The main reason for failure is lack of perseverance and the main reasons for not persevering are inadequate understanding of what the process involves or inability to manage pain. I really feel that the pain issues can be addressed, but people are jumping into use of products without lining up what they need before starting.

As for the doctor, this is a very awkward question because she asked me for advice and then decided to follow the instructions that came with the product. I told her that I felt this could be disappointing. In deference to her, she viewed the instructions the way a doctor would interpret an insert that comes with a pharmaceutical product rather than as I view such literature. In this case, the literature was put together by a lay practitioner with limited understanding of the difference between a very deep breast tumor and a skin cancer.

In the years I have worked with producers of products, I have urged them not to provide literature on use. This forces people to make far greater preparations before starting and tends to result in happier outcomes.

After considerable effort with the approach, the doctor eventually came to me for an opinion. I introduced her to another doctor who had used the treatment successfully, but at a much earlier stage of diagnosis. Yet, it was a recurrence that she treated. The differences were great.

In the one case, the tumor was near the surface, near the nipple itself. In the other, it was very deep and close to the chest wall and growing towards the chest wall. The doctor had to penetrate several inches of healthy breast tissue simply to make contact with the malignant part. There really was not enough time to succeed given that she was working with the instructions to apply the paste once a week.

One cannot say what might have happened if she had used different methodology. Obviously, the "attack" would have been more direct and swift. This said, she expressed two sentiments that are worth sharing. The first is that she viewed the breasts as storage depots for waste products in the body. She was reluctant to remove the breast because she felt this would reduce the number of depots and put more pressure on the remaining breast and perhaps other parts of the body. For me, this was a good argument for addressing metabolism and detoxification, but these issues were not included in her self-treatment.

Secondly, she had no regrets about trying her utmost to preserve the breast. She felt she established safe guidelines for when she would evaluate progress and she held to her boundaries, and this worked.

For the record, when I teach seminars to doctors, I always advise them to start with small skin cancers. This way, they learn to recognize how the escharotics work so when a really challenging case presents, they know better what to expect. However, if the doctor is also a patient, the option of gradual learning does not exist.

Lastly, I want to make two more points. The first is that many of those whose work I presented in my book felt that the escharotics ought to constitute about 10% of the protocol for cancer treatment. The rest of the protocol needed to address the causes of the illness and basic matters of constitutional balance, diet, stress, and so forth. When people ignore this advice, which ever so many people do, the results may not be fully satisfying.

The other point I want to make is that while I have not been personally involved in any escharotic use for some time, the reason is not that it doesn't work, but rather that I believe so strongly in the need for supervision. Going it alone is fraught with all kinds of risks, but the longer my book is out there, the more success stories I hear, such as tumors that weighed 4.5 pounds being removed successfully. One of the gratifying parts of my life is that almost every day or every other day, I hear another extraordinary success story: liver and pancreatic cancers, large breast cancers, and so forth. I reported the failures because people need to be realistic, to realize that no one ever claimed 100% success, and to equip people to see better when success or failure is more probable so that each person uses the opportunity for healing expeditiously and in a manner correct for that person. I have the greatest respect for the healing process, but I almost always encourage people to go with what resonates, not to listen to me or anyone else as though we might know better what is best for someone else.
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Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 07:35 am:   

I have been wading through the options concerning my wife diagnosis of an adenocarcinoma, primary in the right lung app.2.5 cm secondary has matastisised to the spine. Although we have done a three week bout of palliative radiation on the spine to relieve the emmense pain associated with the inpenging tumors, we have been trying to stay away from any other non organic approach. I ordered the book two copies, so I could share, At this point in the book I have not read much concerning the lung or tumors in volving the bone,spine etc. Also need help with finding a practitioner. We live in Northern New Mexico you would think it would be easy, but it is difficult to find help and trust is so valuable! I feel that an internal approach is a good start but with pain pills etc her nausia is so bad eating or taking the high pH therapy we started became almost impossible. Maybe that is the beginning!Any suggestins on practitioners or support! Thank you for your book it is really needed and a uplift to know it is possible to beat this disease and only God knows the number of our days therefore we must perservere!
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Posted on Wednesday, June 18, 2003 - 07:20 pm:   

In reading about the salve procedure, I haven't found anything definite about Ovarian Cancer in the advanced stage (Stage 3). Are there in success stories?

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Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 03:01 am:   

First, Bill!

Since I lived in Santa Fe for 21 years, referring you to a practitioner in NM will be a piece of cake. Please write me privately.
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Posted on Thursday, June 19, 2003 - 03:23 am:   

Now, Audrey,

Yes, of course, there are success stories for ovarian cancer, not only stage 3 but also stage 4; but as Bill said, only God knows the number of days we will spend in each life.

This said, each situation is different which is why I urge people not to self-prescribe IF there is any possibility at all of working with a practitioner. I acknowledge that finding a practitioner is not always easy and that money is a factor for many people, but for every person who tells me that he or she cured his or her own cancer, there is another who tried "all the wrong things" before seeking professional help.

I feel my role is to suggest that for those who wish to pursue alternative treatment, there are options. However, I am not for a moment saying that someone who has never before treated a case of cancer is likely to succeed the first time. I am not trying to make it more difficult, just safer. If there were a safe cure in your backyard, I'd tell you; but my own experience leads me to recognize the uniqueness of each individual and not to try the one size fits all approach to health and healing.

Honestly, I do not think getting well is complex, but it is probably the most important and most challenging task any of us face in life. If we think we can find short cuts, we are demeaning the depth of the experiences we have found on our paths. This is why I actively encourage people to find sympathetic and competent practitioners who can function as the safety nets in an otherwise bewildering array of options and claims.

Personally, I don't mind questions, even difficult ones, because I recognize the importance of good answers. So, on the scale of 1 to 10, the 10 would go to a woman who was told she had less than half a year to live. The surgeon also said, "If you are still alive in six months, come back for a second look operation." She took one bottle of chaparral in capsules, less than $6 and went back for the second look. They found nothing, nothing at all.

On the opposite end, I know people who diligently submitted to everything conventional and alternative, only to succumb to the disease. When someone posts to this bulletin board or sends me an email, I have no idea at all who would be fortunate enough to be cured with a few capsules of a Southwestern herb and who will travel the world in search of cure and not find it.

More importantly, I am not sure that this is what healing is all about. Maybe it is about submitting to the inevitable, which may not be death but life of a more meaningful magnitude. Disease must retreat in the face of life so finding passion is as important as good science.

God bless!
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Posted on Monday, January 26, 2004 - 09:06 pm:   

Ingrid - I think I might be a failure with the black salve I purchased. I gleefully put it any place on my body I thought an interesting experiment - there were reasons behind my choices. One location on the lower leg had a 1 year growth, nondescript and aparently inert. It had a classic escharotic reaction and is now forming a "crust" around the outside inpreparation to separate. But my BACK! The 2 moles there only itched occasionally but I was curious about them. So I covered them and placed a bandaid. Within 12 hours I could feel some pain. the next morn, the whole area was red and the moles were white. Another application yielded further irritation and now (4 days later) the area is just as nasty red with dead looking moles, very painful, and for some reason, it feels very bruised and I think there is something internal going on, like an ulcer in my chest. Also the lymph nodes in the neck were irritated for a day. It hurts! NOW what do I do? I wish I had been more cautious!
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Posted on Monday, February 02, 2004 - 02:39 am:   

I am not sure why you regard yourself as a failure. Obviously, you started without adequate preparation, but the reactions you describe are normal. This said, it is normally not a good idea to treat more than one site at a time. There are also strategies that you could have implemented had you read the book first and jumped in feet first later. You might, however, succeed so it's premature to deem your efforts a "failure" -- good luck!
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Posted on Tuesday, October 05, 2004 - 02:11 pm:   

I would like to know if my cousin in Northern Ireland, who has just called and told me, he has a brain tumor, and it is cancerous. Someone at my church told me about Indian Mud. I would like to see this young lad healed, if by the will of God. Trust you will be able to tell me something, so I then can relate it to him and his family.
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Posted on Wednesday, October 06, 2004 - 11:03 pm:   

I would refer him to someone I know with experience treating this condition. You can contact me privately.
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Posted on Tuesday, October 26, 2004 - 05:30 pm:   

Five days ago I started to use Can-x black salve for a potential cancer of the nipple. The salve reacted. Instructions said to prevent formation of a hard dark crust but it did in the first day. I tried to soften it up with constant vaseline gauze and Vitamin A+D creme. No succes. It is white around the edges, and the area around it is red and swollen. I clean every couple of hours with hydrogen peroxide and apply new vaseline gauze and creme. Every 12 hours I apply black salve, avoiding the hard scabbed area. What is the potential harm of the hard scab and what else can I do trying to soften it?
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Posted on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 12:07 am:   

Can you ask the company these questions? It sounds exactly as one would expect with an escharotic.

Good luck!
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Posted on Friday, November 26, 2004 - 07:58 pm:   

My wife has been diagnosed with a uncommon Uterine Cancer called Endometrial Stromal Sarcoma
It is High Grade and Metastasized to the lung.
We are currently schedule for Chemo with Nutrient supplements.
I see where escharotic products seem to be discouraged when there has been a Metastasis.
Do you know of anything that might work in my wife's case?
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Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 01:39 pm:   


The reason escharotics are not used when metastasis has already occurred is that the reaction would not remain localized. Besides, one rarely uses an escharotic on uterine cancer though the method was described by Dr. Eli G. Jones as well as Tori Hudson, ND. I simply would not use it because of the pain and difficulty managing the site.

This said, some people take Compound X internally. Others take various anti-cancer tonics. Many women use herbal boluses. However, your wife needs to be under competent supervision so that the uniqueness of her situation is addressed professionally.

Wishing you a successful outcome.
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Posted on Saturday, January 01, 2005 - 07:33 pm:   

My friend believes that she had ovarian cancer based on a doctor saying that she had an ovarian cyst and that she has had several pap smears indicated precancerous cells there.

she has recently finished a treatment with the black salve. She described to me all kinds of pulling sensations and a large, very large bulge on her stomach where she had applied the black salve. She said the cancer came to the surface and then broke away.

What mechanism could there be in blood root that could "pull cancer" from deep in her abdomen, out through her skin?

Is it not just a terrible irritation that was damaging her tissue and causing it to swell? She now has a big sore on her belly, but believes that the cancer is gone and that it was worth all the pain of growing through the treatment.

Please tell me something of the mechanism that could cause cells to move from ovaries to abdominal skin?

thank you.

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Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2005 - 12:39 pm:   


What your friend described is a possibility but it may or may not be the whole story for her. The only way to know would be to repeat the diagnostic tests. Probably, something as non-invasive as an ultrasound would show whether or not the mass really disappeared.

The black salve has what is called a "necrotizing" effect on certain types of morbid tissues, usually on infected and malignant tissues. It causes a heat reaction to occur between the diseased tissue and the salve and this causes the death of the tissues that react. The fact that the skin blisters and breaks permits the dead material to be eliminated through the skin, but there is always a question as to whether what the patient sees involves the skin or the abnormal tissue. There is also a question of whether or not she "got it all."

The black salve doesn't exactly pull the tumor out. It simply burns the mass and the hole in the skin permits the exit. Salves with tallow do pull but they usually do not necrotize, which is why people alternate them. Hopefully, your friend will run some follow up tests, including blood tests for cancer markers.
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nadine bull
Posted on Sunday, April 17, 2005 - 07:01 pm:   

I am a user of black salve and am using it right now for skin cancer on my shoulder . Ouch ! My question is , will black salve or any other treatment like this work for kidney cancer . My brother in law has a large mass in his kidney they believe is cancerous . I am hoping there is an alternative method then the typical one that the medical field uses there any help ?

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