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Anonymous
| | Posted on Monday, March 11, 2002 - 12:50 am: | |
Hello,
I am new to this bulletin board and am very interested in any information regarding using the salves for a cancerous tumor (diagnosed 5 years ago as stage 4 squamous cell carcinoma) in the throat. It is protruding from the neck as well as inside the throat and infecting the tonsil. (I am writing on behalf of my partner, who has the tumor). He has tried Hulda Clark's Parasite Cleanse (twice), hyperbaric oxygen therapy, counseling, meditation, uses the Rife zapper, eats a macrobiotic diet, and many other therapies. Still, the tumor has grown and has now spread, sprouting other small tumors all around the throat area and now on the right side as well. We have only just found out about the salves and have just received the Cancersalves book. My partner is so frustrated by everything else having not slowed the tumor growth for very long that he is willing to use the salve on his own topically. I know that you don't "prescribe", but, I think that considering that he's already in great pain, using the salves would be perilous. Do you have any recommendation for the tonics or elixers in regard to slowing or reversing the process of tumors? Is the salve something that might also be taken internally?
We greatly appreciate your book and the consideration that you use in describing treatment options to those in dire need of immediate help.
All the Best |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Friday, March 15, 2002 - 07:55 pm: | |
Oh, this sounds totally miserable. I think, however, that similar posts have generated answers that would be helpful. Try a search using the "keyword search" on the left sidebar.
In the meantime, I would say that I always think the internal tonics have a place . . . and I prefer them to the external measures unless time is of the essence which is very likely is in your partner's situation.
I would try a gargle. I'm been fooling around with several, using aloe vera juice as a base. People like them but I don't yet know what sort of shelf life they have much less whether they will work as desired.
I would also seriously examine the possibility of major infection of the tonsils or a root canal or other dental issue. These would have to be resolved before the tumor would respond to treatment.
I wish you all the best,
Ingrid |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Sunday, March 17, 2002 - 03:08 pm: | |
Thank you, Ingrid, for your reply. My partner is also grateful and extends his regards.
Since my last question to you on the bulletin board, he has begun a treatment of ingesting a black colored herbal substance made by Tony Jolly in Idaho. I'm not sure if this is actually the Black Salve, he says it contains 70 herbs collected worldwide and it has been used in his veterinary practice. (80 percent effectiveness in removing tumors for the past 50 years...and he says over 500 people are using it.) Since it's only been about 5 days, we can't tell whether it's beginning to work yet, but, we are still interested in the tonics and elixers you offer and will be checking to see whether they will be compatible with the paste he's already taking. Do you have any idea as to whether people are successfuly mixing these therapies? A contraindication would not be a good thing.
Another important question, do you know of any health care practitioners in the Monterey Peninsula or Santa Cruz area of California who would be willing to supervise treatment with the cancer salves? I did search your site and was unable to find that information.
Thank you again, your help is much appreciated. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Monday, March 18, 2002 - 01:57 am: | |
The real "contraindications" are most likely for too much. Many people operate with a fear of not doing enough which one might also say is insufficient trust in what they are doing. They can put excessive pressure on the body to respond to the herbs. A black something with 70 herbs is not a "black salve" as discussed on this site but rather something else, perhaps just as good as he says. However, without knowing more, it's really impossible to say whether your partner would benefit by more.
The person to ask is the one who supplied the original products. It is always reasonable to ask whether additional supplements, tonics, or dietary changes would be helpful. In my experience, many people just provide a limited service or product line and they may neglect to mention, "Or, sure you might examine your life style for stress," or you might check out the possibility of infection. Still, it's obvious you are satisfied so where is this taking you and your partner? |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 03:21 am: | |
Hello Ingrid,
It has been a few months since I have written to you on this bulletin board. Much has been happening with my partner and his journey toward health. I wish that I could say that it has been a successful journey. It's been pretty rough. For two months, he attended an institute in Southern California where he ate nothing but raw fruits and vegetables, did enemas and colonics and dropped more weight than I thought was humanly possible. Unfortunately, the tumors have grown quite a lot and his tongue is now so swollen that he has trouble talking, swallowing and has excruciating pain. Last week he also began bouts of blacking out with horrible headache and behind the eyes pain. We thought for sure we would lose him during these bouts, yet, he pulled through.
At this point he is desparate to halt the growth of these huge tumors and has begun an application of black salve (bloodroot, galangala, and zinc chloride). He only applied the size of a dime amount to an area on a tumor that is probably 3 1/2"x3" and equally as deep. He was afraid of the crater it may cause. The first day he put the paste on, it had caused pain that he described as "someone holding a lit cigar to the site". Although it hurt, it didn't seem to take. A few days later he applied another brand of black salve, which seemed to be far more potent. That night he suffered the first bout of the blacking out and throwing up spell. It was awful! We aren't sure if the effect was caused by pain medication, the fact that his body may very well be in starvation condition or that the black salve has triggered the reaction because of the size and location of the tumor.
Most recently we phoned Dan Raber, who's web address you list in your links. www.skincanceranswer.com. His suggestion is to fortify the body with healthy organic food and to apply black salve to the entire tumor. As well, he suggests the sublingual spray of a bloodroot, galangal tincture and pancreatic enzymes. Have you heard of others doing this? Has it been successful?
We have searched for someone to supervise this treatment in our area (Monterey Peninsula, California) but to no avail. Again, I will ask if you know of anyone. Perhaps someone has appeared on the bulletin board since I last wrote.
We're at about our last straw here and really need support, prayers and positive energy. Any words of wisdom would be much appreciated.
By the way, I have pictures I can email to you of his tumor and what we've done so far with the salve. Just let me know if you will accept an email with attachments. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Thursday, July 11, 2002 - 10:14 pm: | |
I'm sorry to hear this. It's hard, even with pictures, to know what is actually going on, but feel free to send them by email.
I'm in a delicate position because while I have fairly definite ideas of my own, they aren't always consistent with what others are doing. For instance, I am very much opposed to coffee enemas. I have stated this to professionals and occasionally to a patient.
I will give you my reasons and you draw your own conclusions. You probably know the history of this treatment? It began in German field hospitals during WWI when they ran out of clean water for enemas and used coffee instead. It reduced pain so it became a sort of standard treatment for pain. However, it is not necessarily a logical treatment for "everything."
According to Ayurveda, digestion actually begins with the titillation of the senses through aroma and taste. One absorbs nutrients in the stomach that are assimilated quickly and used for energy and for rebuilding the fluids of the body. What is assimilated in the small intestines is used to rebuild muscles and fat, and what is assimilated in the large intestine is used to rebuild skin, bones, hair, nerve sheaths, and the brain and reproductive system. If substances are flushed out of the lower intestine before they are assimilated, these more delicate systems of the body tend to move into a deficiency condition. Worse, the body will tend to cannibalize to repair what is most vital to survival.
My second issue is that many clinics that advocate coffee enemas also provide too much food. Basically, the patient is stuffed with food, like a goose, and what is not assimilated in the earlier phases of digestion is removed. There is no attempt to match quantities of food to digestive capacity and this is determined more by enzymes and hydrochloric acid (and appetite) than any chart published in a textbook on nutrition.
Third, I do not like to see vegetables and fruits consumed at the same time, nor before previous meals have been fully digested. Ayurveda is also adamant about not eating until the previous meal has been digested. One cannot therefore keep stuffing food (and juices) down the throat without throwing the digestive system out of balance. My experience is that when patients eat exactly what they can digest that they actually assimilate better than when they are given too much food.
In this, I am trying to work with Nature rather than against it. I do not think people need to eat enough for a whole football team just to recover from cancer, but there are those with opinions that are all over the map on this so I usually suggest that people find their own way through the maze of arguments for and against this and that and then try what they deem to be best. If it works, you will see improvement. If there is no improvement, it is probably useless to continue--and this is true even if the protocol seems to work fine for others. There is no approach that is perfect for everyone. Too much trial and error usually indicates uncertainty, doubt, lack of faith in the chosen method; but dogged determination to adhere to a program that isn't working and hasn't been working is misplaced faith. I think 90-120 days is a fair trial of any program, my own included.
You have to realize that no one has claimed higher than an 80% success rate (except for basal cell carcinomas.) Therefore, no program is going to work for everyone. One always hopes to be in the percentile that is healing, but if this clearly isn't the case, it time to jump ship and find a boat that is more seaworthy.
Fourth, I feel that people who are doing coffee enemas all day long become preoccupied with routines and elimination, this at the expense of quality time and living. Using the enemas only occasionally, when absolutely needed because of severe constipation or pain, is more sensible.
Finally, I am concerned that continual removal of friendly bacteria is dangerous. I simply do not see how the body can manage toxicity and putrefaction and a host of other issues such as infection without a healthy population of friendly bacteria.
As for the salves, I really urge those using the salves to get support from the persons supplying them. It's really hard to know how a product is going to work, doubly so if the person providing the product is not divulgent. As for Dan Raber, his site is listed because he provides support and because feedback is generally positive, but he and I are absolute opposites in terms of our preferred products and strategies. He is in favor of hugely aggressive products that produce dramatic results. I am in favor of gentle methods that produce the least possible trauma. Until both methods are tried again and again with persons with comparable conditions, we will not know whose theories are best. I want to say loudly and clearly that many of those whose work I reported in my book agree with Dan: basically use a sharp knife and get the job done! Not literally, but be bold and decisive. To those who have such beliefs, I am a wimp, but I don't have the guts for violence so it was easy for me to favor the Pattison methods and my bias is clear in my book. It's just that there are people who have succeeded using the mildest possible methods and those who have accomplished miracles using bolder approaches -- and those who have failed with one or the other method. It comes down to trust and a willingness to observe responses and adjust strategies when something is not producing the desired results.
Best wishes, |
Anonymous
| | Posted on Friday, July 12, 2002 - 01:46 am: | |
I need to clarify that my partner has not been doing coffee enemas. The clinic he went to was, instead, advocates of wheat grass juice as a one or two ounce enema implant, colonics as well as drinking the wheat grass juice. The fruits and/or vegetables were never taken in the wrong combinations and it sounds as though they were doing something very similar to the Aurvedic program you mentioned. If you're not aware of this particular program, here is their web address: www.optimumhealth.org. They are called Optimum Health Institute and are located in Lemon Grove, California. My partner was even putting wheat grass poultices on his tumor! The idea was to gently draw out the tumor rather than have it drain down his throat by way of the tonsil.
At this point, doing Dan Raber's prescribed treatment sounds admittedly harsh and invasive. It's a scary proposition to administer this to someone who is so weakened and ravaged. We are still open to the idea of combining the treatment with the tinctures or tonics in your book. Which do you most recommend?
Thank you again, and many blessings for what you are doing to help others. |
Richard Farr
| | Posted on Friday, July 12, 2002 - 05:14 am: | |
Don't know if the following will help, but it might be something to possibly consider:
+based on the initial report of the location of the tumor (throat), subsequent development of new tumors (first left side then new tumors on right side), and later involvement of tongue (swelling), a key homeopathic remedy comes to mind as a possible centrally-acting agent: Lachesis mutus (Bushmaster venom); potency probably in the 9c range, but repetition spread out (probably about one dose per week)
+also based upon the location of the tumors (throat), some of the old homeopaths (Dr. Oscar Boericke) indicated remedies such as Nitricum acidum (nitric acid) and Kali bichromicum (potassium dichromate); these could be used in the form of daily gargles, eg. an AM gargle with a glass of water containing 20 drops of the 6x liquid dilution (important to use this form) of the Kali bichromicum, and a PM gargle with a glass of water containing 20 drops of the 6x liquid dilution of Nitricum acidum;
+some modern Indian homeopaths have claimed good results in supporting electrolyte balance by giving-in addition to more specifically indicated remedies-a supplement of "cell salts" as follows: 2 tablets each (taken together at same time) of:
Calcarea phosphorica 3x + Ferrum phosphoricum 6x +Kali muriaticum 3x + Kali phosphoricum 3x + Kali sulphuricum 3x (total of 10 tablets in all); doing this twice daily (AM + PM);
+finally, one could add a quasi-arborivital remedy (a la Dr. Robert T. Cooper): one drop of the (homeopathically extracted) Mother Tincture of Thuja occidentalis (Arbor vita fresh leaves) is mixed into a half-glass of water and solarized (exposed to direct sunlight) between about 10 am and 2 pm (on a bright sunny day); then the water is drunk all at one time immediately after removing it from the sunlight; following Cooper's advice in cancer cases, this is to be done no more often than one time per week.
The above indications mostly come from the older homeopathic clinical literature; certainly they are harmless (from a toxicological point of view) due to the degree of attenuation of the various remedies mentioned. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Sunday, July 14, 2002 - 01:06 am: | |
Oh, yes, I am very aware of Optimum Health Institute. For the record, they now have a second place in Austin, Texas. I have referred many people to them over the years. The problem is that while they offer an excellent and affordable approach to detoxification, they do not really provide individualized attention to specific conditions so it's not quite like going to a clinic or hospital. This said, many people respond marvelously to what they offer.
This said, I am still opposed to excessive reliance on enemas, for the same reasons as stated. Using them during a specific detoxification program is fine IF one is able to eliminate normally also.
I hope you will continue to keep us posted and to let us know what methods are elected and why as well as how they work.
In response to Richard Farr's post, all I can say is "thanks" because I have no experience in using homeopathy for the condition in question. This said, responses to lachesis can be quite dramatic and I would definitely confer with a homeopath before taking such a remedy. It is one of the most controversial in the repertoire . . . but it has its place, usually when there is extreme toxicity and putrid discharges. I still would never use it unless directed to do so by a highly qualified homeopath. |
CM
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 06, 2002 - 03:03 pm: | |
Thanks to both Ingrid as well as Richard Farr for the Homeopathic recommendations. We are trying to beat the clock here in regard to treatment with the black salve. It has turned out to be very agressive, as far as the effects like pain and blood pressure rising goes, unfortunately. Also, although two different eschars have fallen off, the salve doesn't seem to penetrate very deeply. At this point there is a large crater about 3/16" deep by about 1 1/2" on one of three tumors on that part of the neck. His left side of his face is swollen and there are other nodules beginning on the left cheek and the tumors under the chin are causing much pain.
I have a question regarding daily application of the black salve in one area when there are so many areas to be treated. Also, is it okay to skip every other day or is this aggravating the growth of the cancer?
Thank you. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 10:19 am: | |
This sounds really challenging. Basically, I have fairly enormous issues with using bloodroot pastes in these situations. Sight unseen, it's hard to say, but bloodroot tends to cause inflammation which in turn increases circulation to the treatment site. This can, as I explain in my book, stimulate the growth of the tumor. When you have a very well defined treatment site and you cover the entire tumor, using an aggressive product can be decisive and successful.
I am in a situation in which many people have for many years reported their frustrations as well as successes to me. I am considering starting another site in which people can send pictures and discuss their situations in more detail, but for now, what I want to say is that being in my shoes is not easy. It's a roller coaster ride at times. For instance, I may watch someone slip and really feel as desperate as you must feel right now; and the next day, I might get a letter saying that someone with a condition that was apparently quite similar is writing a book about his successful use of the black salve.
In this instance, I recently had to say good-bye to someone who could not get anyone to assist her with the salve. She had wanted someone to inject it directly into a tumor that sounds similar to your partner's and could not find anyone willing to do this. It was her idea and probably one with a lot of merit, but no doctors wanted to be the first to try this.
I would warn anyone considering this that since zinc chloride reacts with metal, there would be concerns about the reactions occurring in the needle as well as what happens to the tumor and patient.
Remorse, hindsight, and prayers for a chance to live some decisions over again all flood one's psyche, but one person whose situation seemed absolutely hopeless and similar to your partner's did apply the salve. He was a wreck for a while, but that was years ago, and he is writing a book now. Another is combining chemotherapy with bloodroot gargles. We have no idea how this will work.
This said, one of the critical points to observe is whether there is discharge through the hole in the crater. Usually, when this occurs, it indicates that pressure is being relieved. I have seen pictures in which the discharge was so profuse that dressings had to be changed every couple of hours. This always suggested to me that in addition to whatever malignancy might be there, infection is playing a part. Sometimes, the odor is ghastly. Discharges may be yellow, green, or gray.
If you have read my book, you know that I do not endorse a "one size fits all" approach to either salves or treatment in general. One needs to know the entire medical history and with this, it is often possible to improve strategies. This said, I always suggest going back to the person providing the escharotics and asking them for guidance. Dan's product is aggressive, and there are often moments during the process that it seems excessively aggressive, but you have to ask him for an interpretation of what is going on. I walk a tough line here. As you know, I don't sell bloodroot pastes. The reason is not that I can't make them, but I can't troubleshoot them, and that's the issue right now. It's almost impossible to know whether you and your friend are managing the challenges well. However, I would say that if you aren't certain, you can go to Mexico and get some expert supervision with the pastes. This is probably going to ease anxiety and perhaps significantly improve the odds.
God bless! |
CM
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 07, 2002 - 01:42 pm: | |
Thank you, Ingrid. I appreciate your always getting back to me. It is very comforting in such an unsettling situation.
My partner had decided that Dan's salve was going to be way too aggressive and has been using "Cleansing Time" instead. At this point nothing is draining from the tumor. He continues to have spontaneous bouts of blacking out and horrible searing headache pain. His entire body gets cold and his eyes have an awful vacant stare. He says he doesn't remember anything about what had transpired until it all passes. This sometimes goes on for an hour, with a short break, and then back again into it. It's absolutely terrifying and obviously exhausting. Unfortunately, he's not sure which thing causes it...is it the black salve? (no matter how low the "dose"), is it the morphine? is it the large tumors crowding the carotid artery? is it the swelling that the black salve causes? we just don't know. At this point, I know that he is afraid to put more black salve on because it's the one thing that he thinks is the constant in these bouts. He may be right, simply considering the advanced stage of his cancer.
Whichever direction this may go, we now have Hospice involved in his care (NOT in the black salve application). Please continue to keep him and us in your prayers. |
CM
| | Posted on Thursday, August 08, 2002 - 12:30 pm: | |
I just tried calling the number in Mexico for the doctor you recommend to supervise the black salve treatment. There is a recording in Spanish that repeats over and over. Then I get disconnected. I have a feeling that it's a disconnected phone number. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 - 02:48 am: | |
This sounds heart breaking and challenging. Personally, I never give up, but I sometimes try something absolutely different. What often works best is a fervent petition to God to answer my questions and guide me. I have sometimes seen spontaneous remissions when the healing is approached in the right way at the right time.
If you send me a private email, I will give you the address of the doctor in Mexico. This said, it truly sounds like you are in need of a miracle. Dr. Borchert is very spiritually dedicated, but he doesn't necessarily have more to often in the medicine department. Still, when something isn't working or isn't tolerable, you have to look for another method and often a new person brings a new perspective.
I honestly do not know what is causing the symptoms. I hate to speculate. It's often baffling enough when someone is right in front of you; imagine how hard it is in the digital world.
I will pray and I'm sure others will also. This said, I suggest you ask that whatever is in the highest good be given to your partner. Many people sending different energies can be overstimulating and just as tricky as a salve. Only enlightened beings, angels, and God know what is in the highest good.
God bless! |
Richard Farr
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 05:42 am: | |
May I suggest that a principle cause of the symptoms (passing out, staring eyes, cold body, etc) is the morphine? In the provings of morphine recorded by Clarke (Dictionary of Practical Materia Medica) we find pretty much what you have described:
Mind: stupefaction, coma
Head: headache, sudden, intense, pressive, as if head would burst, intolerable
Eyes: eyes staring, fixed
Fever (ie, thermal state): chills & rigor; icy coldness in general
Generalities: SUDDEN ATTACKS OF FAINTING
...and note that this last symptom was one of the most distinguishing effects characterizing the morphine proving. Of course, I guess one could say that many different influences are at work causing these symptoms in this unfortunate case; however, here we have:
1-someone taking physiological doses of morphine
2-an exact similarity between this person's symptoms and the symptoms produced experimentally and toxicologically in the proving of morphine
upon healthy human volunteers (ie, the homeopathic provings recorded in Clarke)
The only sure way to come to a final reasonable conclusion would be to stop the morphine and see what happens. Problem is, what about the pain? Truly Ingrid is correct when she writes that..." only enlightened beings, angels and God know what is in the highest good." |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Wednesday, August 28, 2002 - 10:19 pm: | |
Richard,
Thank you for this post. I am basically opposed to morphine use. Of course, I understand pain and suffering, but morphine is very damaging to the vital force, not to mention how it affects peristalsis and thought processes.
I continue to look for less damaging pain relief, but what I keep seeing is that people are not using my book sufficiently. The clues are there.
Still, I wish the highest good for everyone.
God bless! |
Richard Farr
| | Posted on Thursday, August 29, 2002 - 03:08 am: | |
I absolutely agree with you: your book has much more than mere clues to offer, and the material in it should be fully applied if one hopes for success in using these gentle healing methods for such a difficult situation as cancer. If people would add Eli Jones "Cancer" and his "Definite Medication" books as additional references to complement your book, and then actually follow the procedures and use the remedies discussed in all 3 of these books, they would have better results. |
Ingrid
| | Posted on Sunday, September 01, 2002 - 02:56 pm: | |
You are right. I summarized some of the Jones material and imported cases of the books to resell to practitioners, but people are usually trying to get all their results with a bloodroot paste.
I dreamed last night that what tends to go wrong for most people is that they follow some lay instruction to apply something the size of a quarter in diameter. This would tend to stimulate the growth of the very part of the tumor that is most directly connected to the blood supply. I just hope that as time goes on, more people will have found my book before starting.
Many thanks for your support. |
Sally B
| | Posted on Saturday, February 26, 2005 - 12:25 am: | |
I have a rare, dense, malignant tumor in my salivary gland. I was told by my surgeon who operated last week to de-bulk the tumor, that the large facial nerve and a few other nerves surround the tumor. Have there been cases where the black salve damages nerves? |
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